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It would be helpful to know why at age 19 I was so unhappy, but to this day I don't completely understand. I came from a stable, close-knit and affectionate family.

I was born around 6 a.m. on March 19, 1964 at Metropolitan Hospital in Windsor, Ontario, Canada. I was healthy and alert. My father says that when the nurse brought me to show him, I looked toward his voice. My mother, who had failed to breastfeed my two older brothers, insisted on doing so with me despite resistance from her nurses.

Windsor is the hottest, stickiest city in Canada. It must have one of the most spectacular riverfront views of any city in the world, looking north at the Detroit skyline. It is important in the automotive industry. My maternal grandfather worked for Chrysler all his life. My paternal grandfather founded a business in the 1930s repairing electric motors, mostly industrial size. Most people I meet who have lived in Windsor have heard of Waffle's Electric. It passed to my father and recently to my oldest brother.

Bob was 12 when I was born. Several years ago he admitted to having been jealous of me. That might explain why I never particularly liked him. I don't remember him ever being mean to me, just disinterested. My other brother, Mike, was almost 10. He doted on me, and I adored him.

We lived on Pelissier Street, in the same neighbourhood where my mother and her mother had grown up. In fact my great grandparents, Dommy and Poppy, lived across the street from Victoria Public School where I attended, the same school as my mother and grandmother. Once a week I would meet Mom after school at the house Poppy had built when there were no other houses around. Dommy lived to be 103, but in my first memories of her she was still in her late 70s. A daughter of German immigrants, she was hard-working and a little abrupt, but very kind. At the kitchen table she would serve me homemade cookies and the coldest milk anywhere.

As a little boy I always preferred to play with girls. I had a big crush on Jill, a girl in my class who was so blonde like me that people thought we were twins, and every day I would kiss her good morning. My other friends at school were Atsuko and Jeannette. Two doors down from us lived Lisa, who was a year younger, but we always played together after school. Our favourite thing was to dress up and play house. We both wore dresses.

My mother was the eldest of six children. Her family was a boisterous pack with Irish genes, given easily to tears, laughter, long goodbyes and especially alcohol. I had 18 cousins on that side, most of them within a year or two of my age. My grandparents had a cat named Nigger.

My father, like me, was the youngest of three sons. His parents lived in a pleasant house on Riverside Drive. My Pappy had been orphaned at 17 and established his business and fortune through sheer will and hard work. The Waffles were more quiet and aloof than my mother's clan, and we didn't see as much of my relatives on that side. Many of them didn't get along with Pappy, but I did.

I was his youngest grandchild by several years. He had a heart attack the year I was born, and I suppose it made him appreciate the simpler things in life. We spent many after-dinner hours together in his study, poring over his stamp and coin collections. Over and over he would tell me stories about his youth, working as a summer harvester in the Prairies, and how he courted my grandmother. Everyone else had long tired of Pappy's stories, but I loved to sit and listen. He is the only adult male I remember paying much attention to me when I was a small child. He also loved to feed waterfowl. Geese and ducks by the dozens would come to his yard off the Detroit River.

In 1965 my parents had bought a cottage on Lake Erie, 45 minutes from Windsor. We went there every weekend. Mom and I would stay there for weeks every summer. My happiest early memories are of running through the grass there, getting mulberry stains on my bare feet and hearing cicadas drone in the big poplars that surrounded our place.

When I was five Bob left home for University of Guelph. Mike followed when I was eight. At the same time, my parents decided to sell our house in Windsor and move to the cottage. They built an addition. Dad commuted to Windsor from that time foreward.

On my last day of school in Windsor I met Mom at my grandmother's house. While swinging on the front porch railing, I noticed a bump on my shoulder. It was the chicken pox. They got into my lungs and I ended up with pneumonia. I had to spend the entire summer indoors before starting grade 3 in a new school in the small town of Harrow.

Looking back I notice a lot of things happening at the same time: a serious illness, moving to a new school, and my great grandfather Poppy died the following year. The hardest thing of all was Mike leaving.

For years I had sat beside Mike at his desk while he did homework. I remember him teaching me how to spell my own name, do addition and subtraction, even multiplication and long division. I followed him like a shadow. It must have annoyed him at times, but he rarely showed it.

Once he left, I became an only child. I didn't have enough self-awareness to know that I was lonely, but I became increasingly isolated after we moved. From the age of eight I felt depression growing in me. I didn't know what it was. I also began to feel an attraction to men and other boys, something I couldn't name. I lumped my depression and homosexuality together. I called it my inner darkness.

Date: 2003-08-28 06:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] murg.livejournal.com
Wow!! You look exactly the same as a baby, it's so adorable!!!

*Pinches your cheeks*

Date: 2003-08-28 08:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rsc.livejournal.com
I don't mean to sound flip, but it seems to me that your last paragraph contains at least the germ of an answer to the question posed in your first paragraph.

Date: 2003-08-28 08:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poetbear.livejournal.com
hugs Van. he's right, it's amazing! i was a tow-head myself.
you looked so serious. ~paul

Date: 2003-08-28 09:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vaneramos.livejournal.com
Ha! I always had a high forehead, that part is obvious.

Date: 2003-08-28 09:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vaneramos.livejournal.com
Do you mean my seriousnes, as [livejournal.com profile] poetbear suggests? Or our apparent formality?

I don't know the reason for the formal clothes. They look like church clothes, but we hardly ever went to church. We must have just come from an important event, because my family was usually much more casual.

I think my oldest brother looks a little hostile in this picture, but he was, after all, about 16.

Date: 2003-08-28 09:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vaneramos.livejournal.com
I don't know the expression tow-head.

I was very serious, bright and studious from an early age. But then I'm still deadly serious; I see the humour in things, but don't express it easily.

Part of the problem, I think, is that my parents were busy with two teenage sons. Bob was a bit of a rebel and gave them some trouble. I was quiet and obedient and never gave them any. I grew up feeling like an observer rather than a participant, and I still have that problem in groups of people.

Mike was the family member who most engaged my mind, as the photograph illustrates. I'm sad that we have grown apart.

Date: 2003-08-28 09:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] murg.livejournal.com
*grin* I was looking at your eyes mainly!! :)

They're so cuuuuute!
*Goes all mushY*

Date: 2003-08-28 09:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vaneramos.livejournal.com
Oh, you mean the frown. Yeah, the day I came out of the womb I started worrying. Hehe.

Date: 2003-08-28 09:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] murg.livejournal.com
Well, it's good to look thoughtful!!

Even when you're not thinking... then people neverrrr know! :D

Date: 2003-08-28 09:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bitterlawngnome.livejournal.com
It would be helpful to know why at age 19 I was so unhappy
and
I didn't have enough self-awareness to know that I was lonely
and
I also began to feel an attraction to men and other boys, something I couldn't name

Loneliness plus internalised homophobia plus repression sounds like a fine recipe for depression.

Date: 2003-08-28 09:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vaneramos.livejournal.com
Haha, it's that Mona Lisa thing happening again. Look into my eyes, sweet young man, and despair!

Date: 2003-08-28 09:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poetbear.livejournal.com
i guess like Britons, we're divided by a common language, eh?
tow-head means a blonde. my hair was about that color when i
was little, getting gradually darker to this(userpic). then of
course, when i was thirteen, i started getting white hairs. it
didn't show much until i was fifty. my beard is snow white,
though i have a little bit of brown left on my head.~paul

Date: 2003-08-28 09:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] murg.livejournal.com
Thankfully, the real Mona Lisa remembered to shave that morning... hundreds of years of ridicule would have been too much to bare for the poor lass!!

Maybe your next photo should be one of you looking enthrallingly blissful and thoughtless, with pretty flowers in your hair!!

Date: 2003-08-28 10:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jaique.livejournal.com
What a nice sharing. I think eight is quite a vulnerable age, kind of the transition year from a little kid to a big kid. To go through so many changes--to experience serious illness and start again in a new place at the same time you were adjusting to lost reference points within the family and all while you were at an important internal junction is major. The fact that your pubescence contained something that was in those days so totally unsupported socially just added to the mix. Most of what comes under the banner of progress sucks, but at least now little kids who find themselves in that position are able to name it and have, at the very least, a few televised role models.

Date: 2003-08-28 10:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vaneramos.livejournal.com
How about chest hair? You've already see those.

Date: 2003-08-28 11:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vaneramos.livejournal.com
What puzzles me is why I didn't clue in sometime before my conversion that it was okay to be gay. My parents even expressed support when I came out to them as bisexual at age 18. I knew there were alternatives to repressing my sexuality. Coming from a non-religious family, I'm not sure how I convinced myself that homosexuality was sin.

At this moment, something occurs to me:

What we all had trouble acknowledging, more than my sexuality, was my depression. My parents still can't accept mental illness or any kind of incompetency. I wanted to believe that if Jesus looked after my sin, the pain would go away and I would be whole.

Date: 2003-08-28 11:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vaneramos.livejournal.com
I found the expression in my Canadian Oxford Dictionary, so apparently I'm simply illiterate. ;-)

I have never found any obvious grey hairs until this summer, letting my beard grow longer. I have a half dozen of them or so.

Date: 2003-08-28 11:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vaneramos.livejournal.com
That's an interesting comment because I just posted another remark about how at 19 I did have some sense of social support, at least the possibility of it.

Your point, that I lacked any social support at age 8, is important. At that time I encountered some homophobia from my brothers and relatives other than my parents. It was probably a much more critical time in my developing identity. By the time I was 18 the damage was done. I refused moral acceptance of my sexuality, even from my parents.

also ...

Date: 2003-08-28 12:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bitterlawngnome.livejournal.com
Read this and then think back twenty years. You may have seen quite clearly that there was nothing wrong with being gay while at the same time seeing that it meant (and still means) a lifetime of being told directly and indirectly that you're a defective unit, and discriminated against in many trivial and substantial ways. When you & I were teens, they were still "treating" homosexuality with electroshock in Ontario.

Also being in the closet creates a fundamental breach of trust between a child and parent; the parent knows something is being hidden, but not what; the child doesn't trust the parents and has to conceal a big part of his life from them. A couple of years of that is enough to erode trust in any relationship. And if your parents had been voicing their intolerances in terms of "perverts" or "psychos" or "freaks", that would be a pretty direct message that they weren't going to be happy about a gay son.

Date: 2003-08-28 01:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] quirkstreet.livejournal.com
"Loneliness plus internalised homophobia plus repression sounds like a fine recipe for depression."

It sure worked wonders for me! :)

Date: 2003-08-28 01:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rsc.livejournal.com
That is exactly what I meant. I guess I should have worried less about sounding flip and more about being too elliptical.

Re: also ...

Date: 2003-08-28 01:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rsc.livejournal.com
Well, fair enough, but I get the impression from what Van said above (I could be wrong, of course) that his parents were not likely to have said things like that. The messages from society at large, of course, and especially schoolmates, would be something else again.

Date: 2003-08-28 01:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] quirkstreet.livejournal.com
So much to respond to here. I'm just going to hit a few highlights.

My own depression doesn't necessarily have "causes" ... sometimes I'm just down because I'm down. But certainly repression, internalized homophobia, and loneliness gave ME a lot to be depressed about at that age in my life. I wouldn't be at all surprised if those things account for most of what you went through.

It's fabulous that your parents supported your bisexual revelation. It's also the case that what people mean by support for bisexuals can be complex and even unhelpful. Woody came out as bi to his parents at age 22 or so, and they've always been supportive beyond what most people dare expect even now. Yet when he was in a long-term relationship with a woman in the late 70's/early 80's, he says their relief was palpable. They clearly thought he had "finally settled down."

Many people only support bisexuals to the degree they think they can force us to be completely heterosexual.

And I go with Bill [livejournal.com profile] bitterlawngnome: even had your parents been bisexual or gay themselves, you'd still have had to be living under a rock not to have picked up the idea that your sexuality was going to fuck up your life. That is, as they say, a lot to cope with.

Example: my Dad had a gay colleague for several years in the 70's. George was one of those sweet Boston Brahmin queens. My parents were glad to socialize with him, let me interact with him the way they let me interact with other adults (I was a precocious kid and had a lot of adult friends), could have easily talked about what was wonderful about him. There were also occasional jokes or phobic comments.

Years later, my Dad revealed that he'd been clear with George about what would happen if he ever molested me ... as if, you know, one had to give a gay man that message right off the bat, because gay pederasty is such an automatic danger. It's also true that George came home from his yearly trips to Haiti with pictures of all the cute young men and boys he'd met there, and had a VERY close relationship with a young man a year or two older than I, i.e. a young teenager.

That was my BEST idea of a gay man. The others were far less complex and much worse. I bet yours would have been, too.

Every person I've met who isn't straight developed FABULOUS antennae for how non-heterosexuals are perceived and treated, often at very young ages, even if unconsciously.

Supposing your parents *were* completely accepting, even about your being totally gay ... you still probably "knew" that things might be rough for you. I did. To go from that to deciding that our sexuality is a sin or flaw we need rescuing for is not a big leap.

What none of us can really know, until we come out, is how rewarding it usually is to be ourselves, even if the tough stuff DOES also apply. So most of us--especially at our age, sweetie, having grown up with much less of a community of "out" people and icons--had only the perceived downside to focus on. Small wonder if it was depressing.

Being gay needn't be isolating, but the BELIEF that it will be has isolated many of us.

Your Pappy and Dommy sound wonderful!!

Date: 2003-08-28 02:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] quirkstreet.livejournal.com
"I refused moral acceptance of my sexuality, even from my parents."

Which reminds me of something I forgot to mention in my longer reply. I went through something like this too. My first boyfriend, though completely gay, tried to tell me that I needn't sort my sexuality out all at once, or pick a label, just let myself be who I was and treat myself well about it.

I didn't listen: I was convinced that I had to have it all figured out right away. So I spent another four or five years of solitude and sadness because I was pretty sure I was bi, was positive nobody would believe me, worried I might really be in denial even though my sexual experiences with women had been enjoyable, thought I had to *focus* on relationships with women if I was *capable* of them, and feared that to be bisexual (rather than gay) must be a huge problem.

It's very hard to recreate that mindset now--it sounds so silly--but that's how it was. And I came out at nearly the same time you did, not all that long ago. Lesson: it's complex, even now, and was all the more so in our early years.

Date: 2003-08-28 02:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rsc.livejournal.com
I have to admit that this response puzzled me, but it makes perfect sense if I suppose that you read my uses of "paragraph" as "photograph".

Re: also ...

Date: 2003-08-28 02:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bitterlawngnome.livejournal.com
I don't know, just stating generalities.

Date: 2003-08-28 06:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] murg.livejournal.com
Hmmm I dunno, you still look pretty frowny there!

Im thinking beach, green grass, and frangipani!!

Re: also ...

Date: 2003-08-28 08:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vaneramos.livejournal.com
Yeah, the ridicule at school certainly fits. I'll tell that story soon.

You may have seen quite clearly that there was nothing wrong with being gay.

No, I really thought it was wrong, to the point of believing that if there was a God, he would reject me. I don't know where I got that idea. Nobody had ever told me "God hates fags." I think I just moralized my own internalized homophobia.

Also being in the closet creates a fundamental breach of trust between a child and parent

This part makes lots of sense, and it does explain why I felt so alienated from my parents in my middle teens.

My parents' chief failure was that they were too emotionally undeveloped and preoccupied to realize anything was wrong. My mom claims she had no idea I was gay or depressed.

They would ignore or dismiss emotional outbursts on my part. That sounds pretty bad, now that I write it. There were a couple of times I came out and told them all was not well and I needed some help, and they ignored it, or offered encouragement and then forgot about it. That's pretty repressive, isn't it.

On the other hand, I never heard them make derogatory remarks about gays. That came at school.

Re: also ...

Date: 2003-08-28 08:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vaneramos.livejournal.com
Yes, as I've mentioned elsewhere, my parents' chief failure was that they didn't acknowledge my distress, which must have been obvious.

Date: 2003-08-28 09:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vaneramos.livejournal.com
My own depression doesn't necessarily have "causes"

Yes, that's an essential point.

Many people only support bisexuals to the degree they think they can force us to be completely heterosexual.

I suspect my mom still hopes it's just a phase.

Supposing your parents *were* completely accepting, even about your being totally gay ... you still probably "knew" that things might be rough for you.

Although they expressed support, now I see that Mom in particular treats me differently because I'm gay. A lot differently. She isn't interested in my personal life or my friends the way she used to be. I don't think the problem is that I'm gay, per se, but that I'm not a white picket fence son, that I don't put my career and being a bread winner for my family above my own needs.

I must have realized this rejection would happen long before it did, but I was not conscious of realizing it. I always thought Mom loved me unconditionally, so her change in behaviour the past few years came as a big shock.

What none of us can really know, until we come out, is how rewarding it usually is to be ourselves

Hurray for that!

Date: 2003-08-28 09:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vaneramos.livejournal.com
It's funny how we both twisted ourselves up trying to face reality. I claimed to be bisexual as a kind of compromise, because it didn't seem as bad as being gay. Meanwhile you identified as gay as a kind of compromise, denying your bisexuality.

Date: 2003-08-28 09:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vaneramos.livejournal.com
Gosh, that's exactly what I did! Your comment makes more sense now. I think I have answered my initial question pretty well. Not that I haven't answered it before, it's just hard to bring the facts into focus.

Date: 2003-08-28 10:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poetbear.livejournal.com
i should say not! if you look around enough, you'll
encounter an unfamiliar word every few days.~paul

Date: 2003-08-28 10:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vaneramos.livejournal.com
I hope the same doesn't work for grey hairs. :-)

Date: 2003-08-28 11:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poetbear.livejournal.com
i don't think so. the hair on my head turned white much
faster than the hair in my beard. the upside is, that now
that my beard is more visible now that it's white!~paul

Date: 2003-08-29 06:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] quirkstreet.livejournal.com
Oh, it was even more weird than that. :) I thought I *should* identify as gay even though I didn't feel that I *was* "gay," because even the positive definitions of being gay that I knew didn't quite fit. Meanwhile I thought I *shouldn't* identify as bi because it would be a cop-out, even though I thought it *wasn't* a cop-out.

This kind of knotted-up thinking is why a lot of bisexuals talk about "internalized biphobia" as a problem distinct from "internalized homophobia." I've had to deal with both. Nor am I 100% cured: there are still days when I think "wouldn't it be so much easier to be gay?" Even though, by almost any measure, my day-to-day life is already so "gay" that it's tough to imagine what difference it would make to change labels.

I really didn't visualize any happiness in my life until I realized that there were real, healthy bisexuals in the world ... whether or not I turned out to be one of them. It was exactly like discovering "bears," even though I don't entirely fit the "bear" identity either. It was other bisexuals, and eventually other bears, who got through to me that it was okay to be whoever I was.

So much of what "bisexual" means to me now is about community rather than strictly about sexuality. If it wasn't such a mouthful to say "I'm a mostly-homosexual man who sometimes likes sleeping with women and likes being around bisexuals, trans people, woofy-and-good-hearted bears who aren't afraid of bisexuals even if they're gay themselves, and hot dykey chicks or sexy women of whatever sexuality whom I might or might not lust after," I might say that instead! :-) But "bisexual" still feels like better shorthand for all that (to me) than "gay", even though I know *gay* men whose sexuality is nearly identical to mine.

A lot of what makes me "bi" is not my sex life (except once in a while), but my knowledge that overcoming my biphobia was just as essential to my happiness as overcoming my homophobia, and my sense that there are a lot of other people in our communities who need to do similar mental housecleaning.

Needless to say, though, getting to the point where I can trot all that out as if it's JUST SO OBVIOUS took me YEARS.

Date: 2003-08-29 06:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] quirkstreet.livejournal.com
"I suspect my mom still hopes it's just a phase."

My father has occasionally asked "are you still bi?" I'm pretty sure he's waiting for the "no, I've decided I was really gay all along" response so he can stop being confused by me. He told me, when I first came out "if you're gay, be gay, but don't get stuck." Bisexual=stuck. [shrug] And he does treat me differently--mostly, I think, because my having TWO boyfriends spins his gyros even worse than the bi part.

Date: 2003-08-29 06:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vaneramos.livejournal.com
Yeah, how would I ever come out as polyamorous to my mother, who just wants me to settle down and live behind a white picket fence? I don't even want to try. *sigh*

Date: 2003-08-29 06:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vaneramos.livejournal.com
Wow, Pete, I'm going to have to read that first paragraph a few more times. It's enough to make me not want to be bi, hehe. The problem comes back to this: too bad that it matters who we love.

Date: 2003-08-29 08:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rsc.livejournal.com
Yeah, how would I ever come out as polyamorous to my mother

That gets to a level of detail that I've never felt my parents needed to know. :-) Part of that might be that I came out at 27, by which time I was fully independent of them anyway.

Date: 2003-08-29 08:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vaneramos.livejournal.com
It doesn't matter while I'm single, and it doesn't matter if I'm in an "open relationship" with casual sex on the side. What I'm not willing to do is hide the nature of my significant relationships.

My financial dependence on my parents is part of the problem, I'm afraid.

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